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New Post 8/26/2009 2:42 AM
User is offline CSG_Wolf
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AR -15 question 

off topic of mechwarrior...

I know there are some gun guys in this group. I just bought an AR-15 (river rock arms, elite modle). I am looking to get some optics for it. I have seen a bunch of stuff out there. it doesn't have a carrying handle, but has a high rear sight. I've seen some holo-sights and some other low power scopes with the red dots. Any suggestions or experience with this?

I wanted to attach a picture, but I can't figure out how...

 
New Post 8/26/2009 11:15 PM
User is offline CSG_Gunslinger
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Re: AR -15 question 

Red dot optics make for a faster target acquisition and they are widely used by just about everyone. Most of the red dots under $250 are ChiCom made of poor to average quality. Some of the name brands are better than others, Bushnell, Burris etc. for example.

The "good stuff", Aimpoint, EOTech and ACOG are going to cost you $300+ but you get what you pay for.

SWFA.com, in the red dot section, can give you a good idea of the differences in price and quality.

Keep in mind that if you are looking for real SHTF gear you will need to get a "backup iron site" (BUIS) to co-witness or keep flipped down in case your optic fails. Long story short, if you don't have the cash to properly top off your AR with quality gear just invest in a set of day-glow/tritium iron site pins for your original sites, they cost about $85 a set for the rear peep and front pin. You can go minute-of-bad-guy at 150 yards with iron sites pretty easily.

 

For the record I have a Vortex StrikeFire ($150) for my RRA Entry Tac but it's still ChiCom junk when you compare to quality optics. I run it without 95% of the time and for the ultimate blasphemy I prefer my AK anyway

 

 
New Post 8/28/2009 2:15 AM
User is offline CSG_SarponKell
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Re: AR -15 question 

mannnnn is that yer picture in yer avatar wolf?

....ok bro...optics  depends on what yer perpose for the ar is......some of what gunny said is right.......now are you looking for CQB or mid or 300M +??? kinda makes a difference...ill try and help Wolf....just need to know what ya want it for....Hey Gunny...what yer AR zero at????

 
New Post 8/29/2009 12:24 AM
User is offline CSG_Starfury
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Re: AR -15 question 
Modified By CSG_Starfury  on 8/29/2009 5:38:53 AM)

Alright Wolf now you have gone and done it … opened up the flood gates --- mechwarrior what??? I am no expert but have played about with a number of optics on my AR's and I have settled on the Eotech 512  for now – I really like it.   I do agree you get what you pay for.  I added a 3x aimpoint “clone” magnifier on a flip mount to it and at 200 yards (the longest distance around here I have found to shoot) you can zing clay pigeons or soda cans all day.

For BUIS a couple weeks ago I upgraded to a set of GG&G tactical low profile folding sights and I love them.  I added a KNS cross hair hooded front sight post and I was impressed with how it performed on the range (almost feels like you are looking thru a scope).  Here are the links

http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?id=198&parents=38,40

http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?id=65&parents=38,41

http://www.knsprecisioninc.com/SIGHTS%20AR-15%20AR-10%20M-16%20SR-25.htm

I have just ordered a Burris AR 332 3x prism optic… it is back ordered and expected in Oct – so I can give you a report on it once I put it on and try it out.  (I really wanted a Trijicon ACOG but at over a $1000 I couldn't swing).

http://www.burrisoptics.com/ar332.html

A guy at the range a few weeks back had a Burris XTR-14 1x4 mounted on his AR15. I fired about a dozen rounds using it and have to say it was a very nice setup.  I liked it so much that I am putting in an order for the Burris XTR- 1.5x-6x-40 to put on my 308AR-10.  My AR10 has killed two Bushnell scopes (banner 4x12 and trophy 4x12; broken cross hair in both cases after a few hundred rnds) so I am going to the etched glass reticle now (plus it has the lifetime warranty).

http://www.burrisoptics.com/xtrtactical1.html

I have sighted all my optics for the AR15 and AR10 at 50 yards.  Based on the ballistics I have run the 50 yard zero gives the best compromised for flat shooting out to 300 yards (pretty much know you are in a 2” radius spot all the way out).  For my irons I did the 25yard zero so the ranging thing on them works. The free ballistics program I have used and tested against loads (it is pretty good) can be downloaded at:

http://www.ballisticsimulator.com/

It is fun to play with and gives you a good idea of what to expect before hitting the range.

Hey Guys - what would you suggest on combo bright day/nite sights for a Springfield XD9.  I want to go with something fairly fast and there are a lot of things out there with fiber optics/tritium combo etc.  The XS big dot system caught my eye… but the dot almost looks like it might be too big if one is using it on the range with targets out at 20 yards and beyond....

http://www.xssights.com/store/handgun.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


"When In Doubt - Empty the Magazine" CSG_Starfury
 
New Post 8/29/2009 1:05 AM
User is offline CSG_Starfury
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Re: AR -15 question 

what do you guys think about the 458 SOCOM?  I have an AR15 complete lower that is needing an upper... the big issue I see with them right now is that everything is sold out for the most part right now.   The problem I see with the beowulf is bullets - not much of a selection in 50cal.

At first I was thinking about a 9mm upper but since I got the Beretta CX4 storm I have pretty much given up on the 9mm version of an AR.

I love the poster I saw in the gun store last week - picture of Obama with "Salesman of the Year" stenciled on it :)


"When In Doubt - Empty the Magazine" CSG_Starfury
 
New Post 8/29/2009 2:32 AM
User is offline CSG_SarponKell
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Re: AR -15 question 

ooooooo Starfury...Ive got a CX4 myself.....I love it...which did ya get?? and do ya have the matching pistol??? Im looking at getting a can for mine...well see I wish there was an easy way to upload and share pics here...but im computer illiterate..:-(

 

 
New Post 8/29/2009 3:49 AM
User is offline CSG_Starfury
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Re: AR -15 question 
Modified By CSG_Starfury  on 8/29/2009 5:34:15 AM)

Sarp - I picked up the 9mm (92) version almost 2 years ago - I really like it (and so do the kids).  I don't have the matching pistol - but have been thinking about getting one   The only thing I hated about it was the dang heavy trigger pull  (I am so use to the crisp 3.5#  JP rifles trigger that I put in my AR's ).  Well I found a company that makes aftermarket parts - aluminum trigger, steel hammer and a light hammer spring.  I bought the kit about 2 months ago and what a difference - it now has about a 5# trigger pull. I have put about 300 rds downrange with the new trigger kit and it is running smooth.  Here is the link to the company (called Sierrapapa).

http://sierrapapacx4.com/index.htm

Also a link to the beretta forum with reviews:

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=50974&highlight=cx4+trigger

Here is a link to an excellent tutorial for taking apart the CX4 storm

http://www.tacticalexcellence.com/stormdissass.html

Here is a picture of my CX4 storm (I have been using imageshack) - for some reason it won't let the image embed so you can click on the link

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5003/cx4storm.jpg


"When In Doubt - Empty the Magazine" CSG_Starfury
 
New Post 8/29/2009 9:48 PM
User is offline CSG_Wolf
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Re: AR -15 question 

thanks for the replys, good stuff. So I want to add some accuracy to my shooting in the 200-300 yrd range. I was looking at a trijicon scope the other day at Sheel's (TA-31 series).  A bit pricey, but very nice.

 
New Post 8/30/2009 10:36 PM
User is offline CSG_Starfury
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Re: AR -15 question 

Wolf - that is the one I was looking at as well but the price was just too high... then I found the Burris AR332 for about 1/3 the cost (plus it has the forever warranty) and it has about the same field of veiw etc with BDC to 500 yds - however it is only 3x instead of 4x.   So I am going to give it a try if they every get one shipped.... 


"When In Doubt - Empty the Magazine" CSG_Starfury
 
New Post 9/1/2009 2:21 AM
User is offline CSG_Gunslinger
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Re: AR -15 question 

 CSG_SarponKell wrote

mannnnn is that yer picture in yer avatar wolf?

....ok bro...optics  depends on what yer perpose for the ar is......some of what gunny said is right.......now are you looking for CQB or mid or 300M +??? kinda makes a difference...ill try and help Wolf....just need to know what ya want it for....Hey Gunny...what yer AR zero at????

 

Minute of beer can.

 
New Post 9/1/2009 3:15 AM
User is offline CSG_SarponKell
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Re: AR -15 question 

sweet...ya finaly got it out.....only thing is at what range?? or did ya ya do the subcaliber target thing???...if so thats what I did...I zeroed at 50M but simulated 250M.......

 
New Post 9/1/2009 4:26 AM
User is offline CSG_Wolf
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Re: AR -15 question 

 CSG_SarponKell wrote
 

mannnnn is that yer picture in yer avatar wolf?

....ok bro...optics  depends on what yer perpose for the ar is......some of what gunny said is right.......now are you looking for CQB or mid or 300M +??? kinda makes a difference...ill try and help Wolf....just need to know what ya want it for....Hey Gunny...what yer AR zero at????

Yup, thats my mug in my Avatar taken earlier this year.

Now I am still considering the Trijicon, but now I have the idea of co-witness red dot/iron site in my head. I will have to go check some what they have at my local gun store.

 
New Post 9/2/2009 6:48 AM
User is offline CSG_Waza
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Re: AR -15 question 

It's all right Wolf... don't say anything, but that's Sarps photo in his avatar. And what ever you do don't mention his nuts, he's really "touchy" about them

And no Sarp that is obviously not my photo in my avatar... in real life I have blonde curly hair, a broad but strong masculine nose, brown eyes, short stubby arms and legs, and am quite hairy all over.

Well ok maybe it is me



Take care and have fun - CSG_Waza aka Wazza aka Warren Baker
 
New Post 9/5/2009 12:49 AM
User is offline CSG_Wolf
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Re: AR -15 question 

well, thanks for the help. I have decided on the Trijicon. I have it set up on a carrying handle, so I can look through iron sites below and the trjicon above.

 
New Post 9/16/2009 10:21 PM
User is offline CSG_SarponKell
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Re: AR -15 question 

Hey Ive got a question...I would like to get night sights on me and Sarahs Carry guns anyone Have any opinions on tha??? her PX4 storm has Mepolights on it ...neither of us like them...and My 92FS is stock 3 dot????? Ive never sent a gun anywhere for work so any help would be nice :-)

 
New Post 9/17/2009 12:44 AM
User is offline CSG_Starfury
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Re: AR -15 question 

I've been considering the XS big dot system vor my XD9 - it is suppose to be a very good system for carry weapons (based on al lthe reviews etc.)...  don't know anyone who has used them yet

http://www.xssights.com/store/handgun.html


"When In Doubt - Empty the Magazine" CSG_Starfury
 
New Post 9/19/2009 2:30 AM
User is offline CSG_SarponKell
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Re: AR -15 question 

Anyone have   Trijicon green dots??? suposed to be warrantied for 15 yrs?

 
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